Eric Remensperger has been a practicing attorney for over 30 years, and casual biohacker until he discovered his Stage IV cancer and began an exploration of the science and treatment possibilities available to him. Learn about how he returned to health.
Episode Summary
Biohacking Cancer: A Lawyer's Evidence-Based Battle Against Stage 4 Disease
When Eric Remensperger got the call from his urologist, the message was stark: stage 4 prostate cancer, Gleason score 9, metastasized to lymph nodes and bone. PSA levels at 21.1 (normal is 2-4). All 12 biopsy sites positive.
This would devastate most people. For Eric, a practicing attorney with 20 years of biohacking experience, it became the ultimate case study—with his own life as the subject.
The Unlikely Biohacker
Eric's journey to cancer warrior began in the most unlikely place: as a hard-living New York attorney in the 1980s and 90s. Heavy smoker, heavy drinker, workaholic—the complete opposite of health optimization.
The transformation started with a simple decision. After taking the California bar exam in 1995, instead of returning to his punishing work schedule, Eric claimed that daily hour and a half he'd spent studying and redirected it to the gym.
"I became a gym rat. Whether it was 2:00 in the morning, I was at 24-hour fitness," Eric explains. But physical fitness wasn't enough. Despite getting into excellent shape following the standard Men's Health protocol—lots of protein, whole grains, no fat—chronic health problems persisted.
The breakthrough came in 1997 through a doctor of Chinese medicine who introduced Eric to "energetic and emotional blockages" affecting health. This opened his mind beyond mainstream approaches and launched two decades of deep exploration into diet, movement, and wellness optimization.
Eric tried everything: vegan, raw food, even raw primal (yes, raw meat, dairy, and eggs), eventually settling into what would later be called paleo. He became passionate about yoga, attending conferences, reading voraciously. By 2016, he was attending major biohacking events like Paleo f(x).
Then came the diagnosis.
When Optimization Meets Crisis
"My initial reaction was complete shock," Eric admits. "Was all this stuff I'd been doing to be healthy a waste of time?"
That feeling lasted exactly two days.
"Then I decided this was probably the best thing that ever happened to me because this passion I had to be well didn't really have enough purpose." Now he had the ultimate test case for everything he'd learned.
Eric's response was characteristically methodical. He read 14 books in 21 days, approaching cancer research with the same analytical rigor he brought to legal cases. He looked at context, evaluated sources, analyzed perspectives.
The key insight: before choosing protocols, he needed his own theory about what causes cancer.
The Warburg Effect vs. Genetic Theory
Two major theories dominate cancer research: genetic mutation and metabolic dysfunction.
The genetic theory suggests cancer results from DNA damage causing uncontrolled cell division. The metabolic theory, based on Nobel Prize winner Otto Warburg's research, focuses on damaged cellular respiration.
"Normally, cells use oxygen to create ATP and burn glucose or ketones as part of that process," Eric explains. "But cancer cells can't use oxygen effectively—their mitochondria are damaged. So they switch to fermentation, using only glucose without oxygen."
This metabolic shift has profound implications. If cancer is primarily metabolic rather than genetic, different intervention strategies become relevant.
Eric's analysis of his own case pointed toward the metabolic model. Despite 20 years of clean living—grass-fed beef, organic everything, clean water, ocean air—he'd developed aggressive cancer. Something beyond genetics was at play.
The Energy Connection
Here's where Eric's approach becomes particularly interesting from a neuroscience perspective. He viewed cancer through an "energetic" lens—not mystical energy, but the fundamental energy production systems that power cellular function.
This connects to what we know about mitochondrial dysfunction in both cancer and neurodegeneration. Mitochondria are the powerhouses of cells, including neurons. When mitochondrial function declines, whether from oxidative stress, toxin exposure, or other factors, cellular energy production becomes inefficient.
In the brain, this manifests as cognitive decline, mood disorders, and neurodegeneration. In other tissues, it can manifest as cancer—cells reverting to primitive fermentation when normal respiration fails.
This metabolic perspective suggests that interventions supporting mitochondrial function—whether through diet, specific supplements, light therapy, or other approaches—could be relevant for both brain optimization and cancer prevention.
The Practical Protocol
While Eric didn't detail his complete protocol in this conversation, his approach clearly integrated multiple interventions targeting cellular metabolism:
Dietary Changes: Moving beyond his already clean paleo diet to specifically support mitochondrial function and limit glucose availability to cancer cells.
Targeted Supplementation: Supporting cellular respiration and mitochondrial health through specific compounds.
Lifestyle Optimization: Continuing and intensifying practices like yoga, breathing techniques, and movement that support overall metabolic health.
Stress Management: Recognizing that chronic stress impairs immune function and cellular repair mechanisms.
The key insight: rather than viewing these as separate interventions, Eric approached them as an integrated system targeting the fundamental energetic dysfunction he believed underlied his cancer.
The Mindset Shift
Perhaps most importantly, Eric reframed his cancer diagnosis from catastrophe to opportunity. This isn't positive thinking—it's strategic thinking.
"I really wanted to figure out how I could have a story that was compelling, that would give something of value to people," he explains. The cancer diagnosis provided the missing piece: a compelling test case for optimization under extreme pressure.
This reframe mirrors what we see in neurofeedback training. The brain patterns that create problems also contain the information needed to solve them. Similarly, Eric's cancer became both the challenge and the opportunity to demonstrate the power of integrated biohacking approaches.
Implications for Brain Health
Eric's story offers insights beyond cancer treatment. The same mitochondrial dysfunction that can lead to cancer also underlies many neurological and psychiatric conditions.
Brain cells are particularly vulnerable to energy deficits because they have high metabolic demands and limited glucose storage. When mitochondrial function declines, cognitive performance suffers first—brain fog, memory problems, mood instability.
The interventions Eric explored for cancer—supporting cellular respiration, reducing inflammation, optimizing nutrient status—are directly relevant for brain health optimization. This isn't coincidence; it's the same underlying biology.
The Lawyer's Approach to Health
What makes Eric's story particularly compelling is his legal background. Lawyers are trained to evaluate evidence, assess credibility, and build cases based on available information.
Eric applied this analytical framework to health optimization, reading primary research, evaluating sources, and constructing his own evidence-based theory. He didn't just follow protocols—he understood the reasoning behind them.
This approach offers a model for anyone facing health challenges: become your own advocate, understand the underlying mechanisms, and make informed decisions based on the best available evidence.
Beyond Conventional Boundaries
Eric's journey illustrates the limitations of staying within conventional boundaries—whether legal or medical. His most significant insights came from integrating perspectives across disciplines.
The Chinese medicine doctor who first opened his mind to energetic approaches. The raw food advocates who demonstrated alternative dietary strategies. The biohacking community exploring cutting-edge interventions.
None of these alone provided the complete answer, but together they created a more comprehensive framework for understanding and addressing health challenges.
This interdisciplinary approach is essential for complex conditions like cancer, where single interventions rarely prove sufficient. The same principle applies to brain optimization—the most effective approaches typically integrate multiple modalities targeting different aspects of neurological function.
The Ongoing Experiment
Eric's story represents biohacking at its most fundamental level: using personal experimentation to optimize biological function under challenging conditions. His cancer diagnosis became the ultimate n=1 experiment, testing whether decades of health optimization knowledge could be successfully applied to a life-threatening condition.
While we didn't get the complete outcome in this conversation, Eric's methodical approach offers valuable lessons for anyone interested in evidence-based health optimization. Start with understanding mechanisms, evaluate interventions critically, and be willing to integrate insights from multiple disciplines.
Most importantly, view health challenges not as failures of previous efforts, but as opportunities to refine and intensify optimization strategies. Sometimes the greatest test cases come from the most unexpected circumstances.
For those interested in the specific mechanisms Eric references, the Warburg effect and mitochondrial dysfunction in cancer represent active areas of research with implications extending far beyond oncology into aging, neurodegeneration, and metabolic health.
Full Transcript
[Music] welcome to another episode of head first with dr. hill today's guest is Eric Remsburg eric is a practicing attorney but an attorney about 30 years and he's been a biohacker and wellness freak for about 20 of those years and Eric will tell us about this but he was diagnosed with stage four cancer after he was deep into the biohacking world and he took all that knowledge and pointed it at how to hack his own cancer free state so welcome to the show thanks for joining us thank you Andrew thank you so much for having me it's my pleasure yeah great so I'm tell us a little about you know your history who are you how did you find yourself I mean you and I met because you're again a biohacking freak but how did you start this this journey yes and actually just before I get into my journey I wanted to mention that I heard peak brain and you on the podcast I was listening to a big food story and our number which one it was because you've been on several and I think I've heard all of them and I thought damn this guy really knows his stuff and it sounds very interesting and I gotta check it out but just kind of stepping back I can give you a little bit of history I am I was as far from healthy as you could possibly be okay until I was about 40 years old and I lived in New York until 1995 I was a practicing attorney starting in 1984 so for about ten years and I was a heavy smoker to bring today I was a heavy drinker I was a workaholic I was work hard play hard that was my life and it was about three years before I moved to Los Angeles in 1995 that I stopped smoking cigarettes and started working out dabbling in it and it was after I took the California Bar Exam in 1995 that in the firm I was working at which actually had his headquarters in LA and I was working on the New York office before I moved out here wouldn't allow me to take any time off to study for the bar so I basically took an hour and a half of my day and I studied for the bar it was an hour and a half I wasn't working and I wasn't at home with my family and kids and it wasn't out with my friends and it was my own half everyday and after the bar exam I decided I was going to take that hour and a half and just go to the gym it was going to be my time I want to do something for myself I really wanted to try to get physically good shape I was never physically fit that's what I did and I became a gym rat whatever mr. day you can was a 2:00 in the morning I'm on to 24-hour fitness I would go to the gym and I was on the men's health diet which is you know protein and right whole grains no fat lots of protein right protein and you possibly do that would you Maya Plex ate after work and I got to be physically very fit but I just wasn't healthy I was having some chronic health problems and it was about 1997 when I discovered a doctor of Chinese medicine who really kind of turned me on to kind of more energetic emotional blockages other aspects that affect health that got me thinking outside the box because prior to that I didn't really think there was much to anything other than what mainstream was was offering and so I actually invested in an open a well in the center here in Los Angeles on which was open for about four years and that kind of just got my fire started and then I just went down this really kind of crazy path of mostly diet based stuff I just studied everything I was a vegan for a while I was raw primal for a while which I didn't know you could do that there's a guy named Ozzie and his van of planets who was a proponent of this diet that was basically raw meat raw dairy raw eggs raw cheese raw honey not a lot of vegetables this was his diet Wow and Romney yeah and I actually had Hodges this at my house a few times and had dinner over and kind of was in that diet for a while and I didn't think the people that I met at his potlucks looked all that healthy so I kind of migrated more into a paleo diet and not this is before paleo was known as paleo but that's basically what I was doing them at primary diet and I was also looking into other versions of wellness including I got very active in yoga and yoga became my passion and I do a lot of yoga I've done a lot of yoga I was doing I did to become for six days straight that's sort of thing back when I was doing Bikram and so that kind of got me started and I then when of course when podcasts came out and I discovered kind of all these crazy odd you know biohacking things sure I do I got into that space but I stayed more under what I would consider the natural holistic nology I wouldn't wear a Fitbit or blue light glasses but I do wear blue blockers now at home at one of my computer but I was mostly in kind of the dietary in the movement in the exercise and breathing techniques and that's where I was up until 2016 and I was actually going to a lot of conferences I went to the bulk of conference I was going to the pale effects conference and it was actually at the paleo FX conference in 2016 when I started having some physical illnesses and ailments I was having difficulty urinating which I originally attributed to the fact that there was this electro stimulation device on the exhibition floor that I had them put on my lower abs has turned on full-blast because I'm going to show off how tough I was and I thought perhaps I somehow short-circuited the nerves in my bladder area that's why I was having expansions of a couldn't journey but about a week after I got back from Austin Texas to Los Angeles I went to see a doctor and then a urologist and my PSA levels 21.1 Oh with you which is very high extreme you don't want to be over 1 0 to 4 is kind of the reference range yeah and and he I had whole battery test runs you know PET scan cat scan bone scan biopsy and when the call came in on a Wednesday night for my urologist he said I got it I just got to give it to you clean we tested 12 sites mm-hmm and they you know with me the biopsy yes those who haven't had that done I highly recommend you avoid it if you can they'll only do it once so even a prostate cancer they won't do it more than once all 12 slice tested positive stage four cancer Gleason score nine outside the problem area in the lymph nodes in the bone he said you need to see an oncologist immediately yeah because it's somewhat Asta's he's happening yeah and here I was for 20 years you know just trying to be as clean as I could write nothing to grass-fed beef yes nothing but you know organic this clean spring water everything out live by the beach clean air and clean sunlight bah and and so my initial reaction of course was just complete shock right like it was what's all this stuff that I had been doing to be healthy kind of a waste of time was I just kind of going down this ridiculous path where I was you know but then I kind of kind of came out of that funk didn't take a long couple days and I decided this is probably the best thing that ever happened to me because this passion that I had to be well didn't really have enough of a purpose okay because I had wanted to kind of move into that move out of the I love my jobs great I'm good at what I do it into 30 years but I really might I don't sit at home at night reading book on the Uniform Commercial Code I just don't I read books about health that the last thing yeah yeah and I'm always reading three or four books and they all have to do with the same thing yeah right and so anything that's out there I've read it if it's cutting edge and it has to do with wellness and so I really kind of wanted to figure out how I could have a story that was compelling that I really would give something of value to people and it was in that space and I just didn't have it and so I decided okay here we go now we got it let's just do it and so I jumped in as deep as I could and I read literally I read 14 books in 21 days mm-hmm and I just plowed through them and I could tell pretty cuz I'm an attorney and look at context I look at I kind of read her the words yeah who's writing kind of where the perspective isn't that sort of thing and I decided that I really needed to figure out and come up with my own theory on what caused cancer before I could decide what protocols to use to address cancer and of course my oncologist was had given me some standard of care treatments which we can talk about and was pushing me into doing some chemotherapy or some radiation I decided I didn't want to do those until I really kind of got my head around what the causes were right right and so I spent most of the initial part of that process that phase kind of really looking into where the can't what I thought what I thought personally obviously I'm not a scientist but what based on my interpretation the evidence when I thought the cause of cancer was and I and I kind of stumbled on a lot of different theories sure yeah there's folks out there that think if you have too much red meat you're going to get cancer they're supposed to think it's all caused by fungus there's folks I mean these were all over the map but there's kind of a very kind of common theme amongst what I consider to be the deeper thinkers in the space and that's it's it's a genetic mutation it's a defect in the genes or it's a respiratory problems it's a mitochondrial problem the Warburg effect and I kind of looked at both of those and kind of analyzed both of those and I looked at a lot of the pubmed studies on there's not a lot in the Warburg side there's a ton of it on the DNA side and I decided that based on my own theories of how I got cancer we can talk about that too it was clearly something more energetic than it was genetic okay okay and the Warburg theory made perfect sense to me and he got a Nobel Prize can you unpack that a little bit for sure sure the way sells respirate normally is they they actually use oxygen to create ATP okay and they burn glucose as part of that process or they burn ketones is probably that process but it's it's really oxygen it's an oxygen oxygen oxygen based metabolic process cancer cells are unable to respirate oxygen so there are anaerobic anaerobic and so they can only burn glucose okay and as a result of that they're creating energy through a fermentation process okay so it's interesting and what's really interesting and we can get into this little more later on if it's if it's if it's important time for it is before there were life-forms on earth before there's oxygen on the earth all life forms were necessarily in this lactose I mean the burning of glucose state I'm pretty horse lactic acid right the fermentation process and so if you take a healthy cell and you deprive it of them enough oxygen it will basically revert back to its prehistoric form of energy interesting yeah and so in my perspective there is definitely a link between the ability of the cells to be properly oxygenated and cancer and it's this shift from what Warburg discovered which is this if there's not enough the cells are not able to respirate properly that you start fermenting in the course of that in the in the course of shifting into that you know it creates a lot of ancillary damage including DNA damage including fungal fungus growth around the cells or links though so all these other theories are right but they're just not necessarily the root cause right right they're just part of the development of the disease yeah right so the progression it may actually come early enough in the process before you even recognize your cancer therefore it appears to be the cause all right because the initial stages of cancer so early can't even detect them right in fact one of the questions that I get asked quite often is or statements that are made they say well you've cured yourself of cancer and I don't like to use the word cure well we all have cancerous cells because exactly that's exactly right yeah and people need to realize that if you do an ankle blot test on anybody you're going to discover cancer cells the question is is your body in a cancer in I like to use the verb to have it k-state or is it a healing state and if you find yourself in a cancer in state long enough you will have what ultimately diagnosed as cancer and what you need to do is figure out how to push yourself back into the healing state so that was my goal was to transition myself back into a healing state and so that was that's the whole warburg theory and at the time warburg got his Nobel Prize they didn't really understand the mitochondria yet that came out a little later on and the Petersons discovered that he was also looking into this whole mitochondrial base you know just just for your listeners who may not be familiar the mitochondria is I can organelle within the cell right some cells have thousands of them and some have very few and some have none bled there could be a different creature yes it is evolutionarily biologically it was definite kind of got absorbed into the cell and that's the energy source that's that's where the energy is generated that's what makes us warm-blooded creatures right word for that that little fire going on inside that little organelle there would be no heat generated by our bodies so we talked about kind of life and life energy you really got to put on a scientific level you get point to the mitochondria it's a major player in that game and healthy cells you know the mitochondria is the source of their energy cancer cells that mitochondria defective okay and energy production is actually done in the cytoplasm oh really I mean it's done in the medical chair bits it did this respiration product this black of respiration the fermentation process is really done more than in the cytoplasm and so you want to kind of force your healthy cells into more of a healthy mitochondria space in your unhealthy cells more until you can get your fuel you need which is glucose space and this is probably why you know fasting and low sugar diets and things have some benefit in cancer right now because correct seems to starve the cancers faster than it starves though that's my favorite this this Warburg versus genetic isn't is a new perspective for me right my perspective on the fasting benefits for cancer were about robbing the greedier cells of their fuel source correct so they failed first correct correct because the amount of the amount of glucose at a cancer cells knees is significant which is how a PET scan works right right all the PET scan is would take some glucose we put in some Radio isotopes with jake'd in your system and then we'll run you through a machine that looks or radioisotopes and we'll see where it's congregating where its coagulating what's where you have concentrations high concentrations means there's cancer because otherwise it would just be dissipating throughout your body got it because they're just such sponges for that stuff so anything you can do to lower the levels of glucose is I think a therapeutic plus and so the first thing that I did to kind of address the condition is interesting because I didn't know at the time I hadn't really developed a lot of theories was I did an eighth day water fast it's funny you mention you mentioned fasting and I didn't originally intend to do an eighth day water fast I intend to do a ten day cleanse the Master Cleanse yep my plan because I write a book on prostate health had talked about you got to do the Master Cleanse and it involved lemon juice cayenne pepper and maple syrup sure and I literally took you know half a day's dose of that and I went as a sugar shock my body just went crazy and I said this is not going to work this is definitely not interested so I decided I'm just going to do water so I didn't water fast and it's interesting because in hindsight that was why the smartest thing I could have done because it put me in a very high level of ketosis right yeah I was burning my ketones are probably six or seven at that point and I had been dabbling ketosis before I got sick you know actually January 1st of that year of course I got diagnosed in July I started pushing my experimenting with ketosis little more in a nutritional level which is 0.5 millimolar sophomore and therapeutic ketosis is over two and and so I pushed myself in to the therapeutic level on the theory we just what you just mentioned is let's really feed your healthy cells you can thrive on fats there's a fuel source in starve the cancer cells because there's less glucose available for their primary fuel source and so that was one of the smartest things I probably so sorry the unpacked nutritionally versus therapeutic so nutritionally meaning ketones were generating from fat sources and fuel and therapeutic meaning well they're both ketones but the question is how high you're going to push to your level of ketones okay okay because I was it was easy for me to put myself in a higher katatak state because I had been doing the Paleo diet for several years so I was already bad adapted someone has been who's been in high you know very high carbohydrate diet they might go through a month or two of the keto flu before the body can actually transition into burning ketones but the only difference between regular ketosis which is lower levels and therapeutic is just more ketones and quite often you do exogenously tones levels at high in Dom D'Agostino and others out of that who have been focused on the science have been doing a lot of work in that space I do take brain octane which is a beta hydroxy T researcher happy agency yeah I do that in my coffee and I do it probably every day do you think that dietary ketones are producing the same kind of metabolic signature from endogenous produced ketones when you're burning returning fat into ketones I mean I I never I see these ads for ketone based products right oh you're instantly in ketosis after swallowing a product but if you haven't burned the 500 calories or 50 grams of glycogen out of your muscles your carb I you know it seems to me like you can't truly be in a metabolic ketosis and what we're getting is masked you know I think you're right urine I can be right you will get you'll get some of the initial benefits of ketosis kind of Claire you thought you know less because your fingers your being the brain at that point with the keto yeah your brains not saying feed me feed me feed me I need some sugar right away but it simply anti-inflammatory saying and now I stay I actually saw than the brain octane at Benihana hydroxy butyrate I don't really do much in the way of exhaustion okay and the way I primarily try to keep my level ketones up is through fasting so I do a lot of fasting and I can talk briefly about kind of where I was before I got sick and my diet now because there was a big component of my diet before I got sick that I think contributed to my sin might think not the fact that I got cancer but certainly the aggressiveness of the courage I got answer it was pretty bad it wasn't like oh guess what you got a little bit yeah prostate one of these cancers for those I don't know many many many more men will die with right eye cancer them from prostate cancer it's indolent or indolent lazy cancer it tends to not progress very rapidly that's right so most men uh you're a little older than me but not a lot most men our age have you know some precancerous cells and PSA is a reaction to that maybe cancer state why do you think it took off it's well it's because I was in this crazy kick where I was doing this absolutely insane daily shake that I made every day that I packed with as many nutrients as I could it Andrew this shake had so much stuff in it that I met Ben grief Allah partying I showed it to him and he said oh my god and he put on even a blog post office his crazy shaking as Danny said you want to see a real nut job check out this guy Eric and he listen this is before I knew I was sick right yeah yeah and I had this every day and I had mock in there and you know what is it the Japanese fermented jothee natto I had natto in there right but I took chicken liver and I frozen it cut it on me put some raw chicken there I had everything healthy I could put in there right it was just packed full of stuff it took me two hours on the weekends to do all the dry powder and then another average date of kind of prepping that I'd soak it overnight and blend it Oh a daily thing well the problem was I was not giving my body a chance to go through a tough OG mmm right I was never given bleeding a dead cell the anti telex intracellular cleanup never happened and so I was just constantly fighting myself on nutrients on this ridiculous thought that if little is good a lot must be great right and so my guess is I had had so many nutrients flooding my system that not only did it feel whenever my healthy cells I feel one of the cancer cells I mean they just started getting a lot a lot of fuel and so now what I do is I try to have more of a pulsing effect Nibin flow right the redox this is relaxed yeah I want movement I want because because there was when I went okay so let's go back to my theories on the mic study in the theories of cancer so okay so it's a it's a metabolic disease I'm convinced too that it's it's a it's a defective mitochondria and the cancer cells I'm convinced of that so there's there's a defect in the mitochondria what causes that I know you never get on the curtains for that and when I did a study on that I came up with quite a quite some interesting stuff part of brought me back to traditional Chinese medicine and this whole idea of Chi right this whole idea of this energy force this life force that flows through all of us and for those of your listeners who are familiar with acupuncture and Chinese medicine that's a way of manipulating just one component of the Chi it's a learning component but it's everything it's everything in life it's where your attention goes it's that's all life force and and in Chinese medicine what causes disease can be too much life force in one place not enough or stagnation and in my case I figured of stagnation in my root chakra which is where the prostate is the prostate is the is the center of procreative and proto creative energy and when I look back at my life force before I got diagnosed I was shut down in both those spaces because I wasn't able to move more my action was yeah wellness and for a reasons we I want to go into but I wasn't having sex either okay several long period of time I decided to be celibate for three years okay and I think those two things both contributed to completely shutting down that that kind of root chakra the energy flow so and there's also wilhelm reich and he doesn't know if you have time to get into his work but he does a lot of kind of more scientific studies in who kind of what he saw his life energy his organon theory others were a little bit yeah but I read several his books and I kind of really got into the weeds and it's on this because just fascinated by it yes guys I mean anytime I meet somebody much as yourself who is so passionate about what they do that they really live it ya know what I mean they're really in there in the weeds completely I have to kind of have to stop and pause and take it pay attention and kind of really you know yeah get to know what they're doing that sort of thing and Wilhelm Reich was in that saying he was in that same vein to to the fault and he discovered that there really kind of two forms of life energy right he called them the Oregon energy which was also called PA biomes bi- that was that was kind of the source of life itself that's what caused my internet but I think Hippocrates also saw that too and they have a good you talked about the green something in the gut or something I forget any right or something yeah and then there's there's the TB bacilli or the tea biomes and that's the that's the Putra fication of life that's when life is kind of turning back to its original state right that something needs to kind of degrade livin by microbes or well they're driven yeah but the driven but it's not really microbes because they can appear out of nowhere so it's almost like quantum physics you know me you can almost take an innate substance and put it kind of in a sterile environment and this stuff will start to start to work and that's what he described he's like wait a second how does this work yeah because everybody said no it must come from the atmosphere I'm sure something must got in your test tube right you obviously made mistakes in your lab right right and now he did a lot of study in that and I think he's probably based on what my interpretation of kind of energetic causes he's probably seeing something that ties back right back into this whole kind of source of life and and so that being the case a lot of the protocols that I adopted really focused on energetic components things like emotional detoxification healthy relationships you know getting anything out of your life it's not some it's the it's to me you know that people talking about stress and how stress can can affect your health it's not that it's not the acute stress it's not the car accident for the divorce or the or the yeah that stuff is bad and it can become a chronic stressor but your body can actually get some benefit in the redox effect if you get through it properly yep it's settling range oh yeah I'm really focused at Utah gerontology a lot of the aging stuff I focus on is failures of the system happens when the regulatory range or the signaling capacity is exceeded right and it stops varying we can handle huge spikes of insulin of cortisol as long as they go back down to go back down in fact big spikes can be useful like you're saying cortisol of course I'll rise me morning wakes us up right but it goes up and stays up our hippocampus dies and we get depressed you know so it's locked at lack of signaling range I happen to give others so it fits into that yeah in what reflective just get briefly back to Wilhelm Reich what he discovered was in his in his laboratories he and he looked at a lot of cancer patients and ran him to his Oregon machine which is a very simple device it was basically just a box to capture this energy he discovered that before people get cancer and when they have cancer their autonomic nervous system is only contracting now that autonomic nervous system as you know is the sympathetic parasympathetic eV and flow yeah and so there needs to be a constant again this constant redox or hermetic effector movement that's back and forth right you build up to tension any release attention you build attention and release attention and so he said that's a common theme in all cancer patients they all have been autonomic nervous systems there's only contracting interesting yeah which is why a lot of older cancer patients have trouble balancing and that sort of thing so I took all this stuff and I put together what I consider to be probably the most therapeutic protocols I can think of and I just was throwing everything is if my vanity look if it can if it can help Mike mitochondria it's a plus mm-hmm if it's toxic to cancer cells but not talk to to healthy cells that's a plus that's why a lot of the oxidative stress therapies that I do are all fall into that camp and I've done a lot of oxidative stress there that's kind of my form of chemotherapy really is oxygen okay he's like ozone and ozone and even like high-dose vitamin C which turns in hydrogen I'm your sister right you do have very very high doses as an oxidative stress yep okay so you're producing a hermetic signal exactly that's right you know when you mentioned feeding your body with all these incredible shakes and that may have been a cause it reminded me there's a study out of years ago showing that oral antioxidants decrease health decreased survival because they remove the mitochondrial apoptotic autophagy hormetic stress signal when mitochondria is damaged producing free radicals right the cell hears that damaged stream of free radicals coming out and tells the mitochondria to self-destruct right through and that hermetic sort of damaged signal is what the cell uses to tell the suit to tell the mitochondria to self-destruct it priests another one if you're taking huge amounts of oral antioxidants in you reduce the Hermetic signal to such an extent that broken mitochondria are not told to self-destruct so they continue to do it and the free radical Road actually rises much higher than it would if you didn't supplement at all Wow some I have a hunch that some of what you did was hijack and suppress the Hermetic danger signal in your body no question about it I was doing a lot of you know glutathione I was doing a lot of antioxidant therapy so you know not tech not on the therapeutic I do it now but I do it kind of more hormetic way right and one of the things that I that I think people don't realize that are trying to do alternative treatments in cancer is they have to understand an oxidative stress and the antioxidants shouldn't be overlapped they shouldn't be you mean you can focus on one or the other for the reason you just stated okay it would make sense for example to do a lot of oxidative stress and take a ton of antioxidants right what are you trying to do trying to cancel out the benefit of the oxidized rather I find it cancel the benefit the antioxidants right I choose oxygen to knock out the cancer and I and I'll take whatever consequences come along with that mm-hmm but I haven't really seen any I mean I haven't really seen a lot of changes that I would say okay this oxidative stress is destructive of my body so the tissue and muscle damage no no increased joint pain no I had a little bit but I think it was more from the androgen deprivation treatment I was doing of having some chemical castration I was doing oh wow he shots yeah okay so that if I cut growth hormone down into it cut my testosterone to zero what was that subjectively like well I mean besides the the sexual component well yeah but in terms of the elitist aggression it clarity kind of liberating because you know if you're the kind of guy who gets his attention distracting when a pretty woman walks in the room yeah I never happened okay all that very time it gave you a lot of good good hey all the confidence in a guy right now it I mean there were there were things I did have hot flashes I did have I did have a little bit of joint pain not a lot I cycled off and just as a footnote for any of your listeners who might have friends or fathers or uncle's who are struggling prostate cancer you can cycle off lupron you can cycle off the adt your doctor won't tell you that mm but if you go into PubMed and you do a bunch of research which I did before I took these drugs yeah and deciding which ones to take and then I cycle off you will find there's plenty of studies into the shoulders the studies basically say there's no harm in cycling off they also say there's no benefit in cycling up which is to me if I can say that in your sister because there's no reason why your body shouldn't be able to go through a period of let's say 3 4 6 8 months whatever where it has testosterone once again so it can do its own development anything else - around that yeah right why'd you spend the rest of your life constantly degenerating without any test answers right so that's kind of an interesting footnote but yeah getting getting back to the diet and the mitochondria that's that's an area where I kind of really had to do a little bit of a pause because there's a whole bunch of material out there that suggests that a plant-based diet is probably the most efficacious for cancer okay you know the re Vedic diet and the Gerson Therapy and there's a whole there's a whole slew of stuff out there and in a lot of that involved juicing and kind of high carbohydrate and I thought well how could that be because I you know I I was a vagin not a vegan I was a vegetarian for a while and I know that you're not going to get a lot of fuel sources from anything to carbohydrates in the diet generally and so I thought well how could that be and there's also a ton of stay out there studies out there that come with more recent studies that show the ketogenic diets extremely therapeutic certainly with certain cancers like glioblastoma and the blast almonds and that's our thing and so I was trying to reconcile between the two and when I was in Tampa at the metabolic therapeutics conference I stumbled on a doctor up there who's studied in space and I was grilling him on the question and he said well both plants and fat are deterioration foods and I thought okay there's a whole bunch of panel discussions on deuterium and defectives aetherium in the mitochondria this whole area meaning hydrogen gas and I'll tell you about in a second so this whole conference is about kind of how to use the kid taquito genic diet as a therapeutic diet and so the whole section on kind of epilepsy and neuro degenerative tissue you that L climate s in a whole section on cancer right those are the kind of two main branches in deuterium plays into this certainly into both because the mitochondria actually use hydrogen as part of the creation of ATP and that whole krebs cycle and deuterium is a very very small small small part of the atmosphere in the environment of foods everything it's like point zero one five percent of all the hydrogen but it's it's a hydrogen molecule that's larger double the size of a normal hydrogen molecule and that's why I call it heavy heavy hydrogen yeah heavy water here yeah heavy water to hide to tear monitor and if it if a deuterium molecule gets into the mitochondria just MUX it up it can't function and I thought well that's kind of interesting yeah and so I'm now just experimenting a little bit on the whole deuterium depleted water and that sort of thing just to kind of see if there's any therapeutic benefit there but it fit square within my my theories here your model how this is working yeah so my diet basically is a very high plant high-fat plant-based diet with some animal proteins just more for the nutrient value and so I keep my protein levels just to what I need to maintain muscle mass no more okay I'm just in a nice do a lot of fasting and I do a lot of pulsing a lot of cycling like I don't have the same thing every day yeah yeah that's right let me again variability yeah if the body can that the regulatory domain can adapt it can often continue to change and if it stops adapting I mean static is death right so right exactly that's exactly right so um as you were trying these things as you were starting to get into different therapeutic techniques what were you know some of the crazy things you tried let's say that maybe you either found not successful or you just couldn't I would talk about you know I don't know if I get that part on a limb I did I found coffee enemas to be a struggle for me okay I know that the Gerson says you should do four or five a day or something ridiculous I was doing like once every two weeks or once a week just the whole idea of how you set it all up and make it all work and it's messy Anna's pay it's kind of awkward and it's it's I don't think it was it was certainly not outside the realm of him I get hurt myself doing this right win that round yeah yeah you know there were a few things that I actually bought that where I thought were kind of more caustic substances that were supposed to be deadly to cancer one of them you need DMSO to get into your cells I forget what some chloride or chlorine based product and I actually you know I stumbled upon this and I bought that I bought some of the products and I just didn't have the guts to use it and so it's still sitting in the shelf and I probably throw it away because I just felt like look if I was just so into being healthy I just untrusting of it I did take b-17 laetrile which has gotten a lot of interesting press about conspiracies and how the government should always stuff down back in the 70s but I do it in its natural state I just by bitter out the cockpits and I have a handful every name to me it's it's you know if it's comes from an apricot I'm not too worried about it it's not made in some labs so I can't think of any I'd I can tell you a few things that I do that are probably a little bit out there okay did I still do okay I have I have an exercise an Ewok machine the live o2 the voting machine at home which is basically a giant bladder that you fill with oxygen and then you do you put a little sensor on your finger to tell your blood oxygen levels are pulse oximeter and you get yourself worked up to a state and you wear a mask and the mask wood has a switch and the switch is either off which is mimicking high altitude 15,000 feet so you low oxygen and on is sucking air out of this giant bladder and so why you're running on your treadmill and working you can come a bike I do it on a Stairmaster you kind of get your your level up and get your oxygen level down okay and it causes your capillaries to widen and open up because your body starving for oxygen and then you throw that switch you know it's like BAM and now you're getting plenty for oxygenation yeah so I do that I also do hyperbaric oxygen which I don't think is all that far out there in fact lamorne and i would recommend and i know this is not standard of care and i'm not a doctor and please what i say this is not medical advice let me make sure that's clear but I would from my perspective my my own personal opinion as anybody who's facing metastasis fantastis you should absolutely do hyperbaric because that drives oxygen to tissues in a way that nothing else does or yet gets it to gets into the nooks and crannies in italy and i and i always kind of knew that because you know a lot of dom D'Agostino's work and the folks at the key to that sanctuary have done a lot of stuff with dogs involving keto and hyperbaric and a lot of things pointed to the efficacy of it but then when I was at the metabolic Terrace conference I met a gentleman from London who had glioblastoma and he had the tumor removed and he was doing you know fasting high ketogenic diet so that in in the brain you know that causes the cancer to be easier to get out because it kind of it pulls in on themselves yeah it's clear dividing line between the brain cells in the cancer cells but on a on a thermal imaging scan it still showed he had a little bits of cancer floating tribe's brain and so the only thing he did to change his protocol was he added hyperbaric oxygen and he did it for two or three months and his thermal imaging can't scan came back and said you're free and clear for a while interesting yeah so I I continue to do it once a week each bot gates bot yeah I mean yeah I still do it still do own therapy as well I do I knew it rectal insulation okay and I'd do it at home okay you can buy a little machine that generates ozone gas it's not water it's a gas and you have an oxygen tank and you run it through this machine and you put in a bladder and then you stick it is three right yeah yeah so checking oxygen and that's it my way yeah yeah it's real easy I do it every day now we do it probably two three days a week okay and again that's a hyper oxygenation strategy for you exactly okay exactly and I do a little bit of hydrogen peroxide too as well food grade 35% you can do it as a bath with a cup and a hot bath you can just take eight drops and eight ounces of aloe and drink it I don't know if it works or not but it fits into my category didn't hurt me yes yeah so I just throw it at the wall and see if it's next interesting so it sounds like the biggest you know bang for the buck a silver bullet you've identified for at least your own you know a defeating of this of this cancer is oxygen is yeah whatever strategy you can use to get more oxygen in your taking yes what about something like breath work in overbreeding limb off breathing do those also oxygenate I'm not sure I have a clear sense of if they do or not yes and I actually because I was interested in oxygenating myself I took the wim Hof's course yeah I did the I didn't do the ice bath though I have to confess oh I did the breathing though in the meditation and I think women's absolutely a genius I do but I don't think his his his methods really do much there's another guy he wrote a book his Patrick Makau and it's called the oxygen advantage and in there he talks about really how to get oxygen not only into your blood cells but Audia blood cells into your tissues and he says that if you just hyperventilate if you just breathe hard it actually increases the bond between the oxygen and the oxygen in your blood cells it's harder to get that oxygen add your blood into your tissues are interesting and the only way to do that is to have enough carbon dioxide in your system and you can only have enough carbon dioxide in your system could exchange video games exactly if you need to be doing very kind of what I call the Jaya breath and yoga it oh yes did you run upstairs next to Olympic athlete they won't even they want to be breathing hard right right because all that oxygen is getting right into their tissues and your mouth is open and you're breathing hard and so you're not using your diaphragm and you're not getting that you're not getting the oxygen into your blood you're not certainly not gonna be oxygen out of your blood into yourself and so I I kind of use Patrick's philosophies more which is kind of really get your breath slow your breath down as much as you can and there's exercises he has in his book that really kind of help you get really still in your breath so interesting kind of counterintuitive yeah yeah a little bit it's kind of counterintuitive but he certainly looked into the science and yeah if you if you read the book you'll see he's done a lot of work on us and so again he's like but I talked about with you and you're he's got in the weeds he you know this is a guy who's now you have me wondering I do a lot of ashtanga yoga there's a studio right next to peak right obviously in Culver City and we do the Oh JA he breath or not exactly actually my teacher Jurgen Christiansen would say you breed with sound right you know and it actually you know that the ocean sound breath yeah that's actually the generate heat nearby exactly it's it's generally heat and it's to be able to observe the quality of your breath to know if is smooth and continuous or if it's if you're like in struggling and you know you can hold your pose if your breath is ragged your Energy's ragged and so adding a sound a slight sound not so much a Darth Vader breath you know but but a slight sound allows you to monitor the long extremely slow long Brett you're doing right so I have to wonder if if one thing I'm doing in that in practice is hyper oxygenating I mean certainly we're turning heat and that long slow breath you breathe in and out through nose only is dramatically heat generating when you did your Bikram yeah I was when I started when I started doing yoga I I originally you know I spent a couple years doing because I was living on beach at the time that's really yoga's doing they had I did the Bikram and the reason why they did the 60 day challenge because when I moved to Santa Monica I decided I'm not going to do become again I'll just to say first for 60 days and I'm gone but so now I do kind of more a regular vinyasa flow or hatha yoga and it's shocking to me because I do a fairly advanced class level 2/3 class and so I meant holding these poses for a long time some are pretty hard poses and I'm just sweating profusely sure it's a little be pouring off right right right I just just dying and I'm not even a hot room in my breath you can't even hear it right right yeah it's and that to me is the test of whether or not you're actually in that state and I think the reason why I can do that is because I'm getting the right amount of co2 in my system so this oxygen is good evening and so that state is that state of smooth controlled slow breath and sweat pouring off of you is that a state do you think where we are doing efficient oxygen carbon tax exchange oxygen tissues and increased way yes okay one thing Patrick says is just take your mouth shut make sure you're not breathing through your mouth at night he literally says do little piece of tape over your mouth yeah because if you're opening mouth to breathe or not you're not oxygenating yourselves interesting you want to breathing through your nose I feel bad for people that may have had no surgery yeah I have I broke my toe two years ago only one side works all that well now okay well I think if you can do the entire breath and you're in you're in your yeah and I'm glad enough yeah yeah yeah and this fire but this fire breath to yoga there are and I have to say even in spite of having a deviated septum on one side and you know having some slight apnea doing the song that you Jahi breath over a few weeks the first month I did it opened up the sort of tonic passages that a support the back of my throat everything opened up throughout this you know part of my face right and so I would not have been able to always breathe through my nose five years ago or three years ago right but since doing a stronger every day I don't even think about it and I'm always breathing in and out through my nose when I sleep I breathe my nose more I still breathe through my mouth I snore occasionally and stuff so I mean I'm not perfect but doing that in and out through nose breathing practice during yoga has trained my body to breathe better through my nose right that's right so I think some some benefit okay although my PSA was point three last time is checked so don't you talk to me yeah all right here I don't want to hear it yeah I know it here - been creeping up my testosterone came back strong which is great okay very happy about that good good but my PSA was creepy unless Hannah had a test was like 4.0 point 4.0 for a little hutches but down from where you were yeah all the rods yeah so I obviously I'm monitoring my condition and you know I I'm clearly in remission because the bone cancer is gone my lymph nodes which are not removed or functioning normally my prostate actually was normal it was functioning like a normal process that's interesting and because you were a little healthy in other ways and it was back to its normal size - which I was thrilled about yeah and my goal was to try to maintain that homeostasis and the health in that region yeah and so that's one old are you I'm 60 oh wow I would have guessed much younger you're a very young looking I teach aging courses and I would have guessed it more like you know 10 years younger thank you but the the prevailing wisdom in gerontology would say the wait health status everything that you have it's 60 right the consistency of that trajectory to 70 that 10-year age period will predict everything about the next 20 or 30 years old really so changes in weight in oxygenation in hormone levels in skin - in skin elasticity any change this predictor of the next 20 or 30 years of how much other thing I did not know that so maintaining all these things you're doing is probably going to give you another 10 or 20 or 30 years after you hit 70 hopefully yeah that's my goal we'll see I got something this is another thing that I find hard for people to really get their head around who haven't gone through what I've gone through and it's it's probably hard for some cancer patients to hear me say this but I have discovered several who have said the same things honestly when I look back this is the best thing that ever happened to me for a couple reasons not only did my passion now have a purpose mm-hmm but even more important than that is we all think there's that we can just kick the can down the road but there's always going to be a tomorrow like we have this false idea or in mortality because we live from day to day yes I'm cattle in the morning and if you knew you were going to die tomorrow your priorities would shift right matically that month from now or a year from now or even 10 years from now and so when you get diagnosed with something like I got diagnosed with all of a sudden your tolerance level for being outside of your priorities just goes away right yeah you really everything just lines up this doesn't matter to me anymore this does and it just gives you I'm really kind of a really energetic perspective on life right because you just don't feel like you're spending as much time spinning your wheels mind you there's a book by Stephen and Andrea Levine which the title escapes me now but basically it's I think all a year to live or something and it's a practice about doing a meditation and mindfulness practice for a year as if this is your last year live yeah and doing meditations around priorities and around relationships and around end-of-life right and it and it's to heights to sort of hack that perspective in without facing a terminal illness you know of some sort so you yes you can develop you know this benefit by having a severe illness but you may be able to do it without without I would encourage those people who can do that to absolutely do it I mean I wake up every morning feeling so grateful mmm just send them up for another day yeah yeah it's another day and gratitude itself has some profound health benefits we're seeing right yes oh yes and gratitude for everything and you had to grab you for getting cancer how stuff is that right but that's the way it works yeah yep it is otherwise this is ego gratification right she has to move on to the equanimity being pleased or happy or accepting of how things are right it's the more Zen yeah yes don't be attached to any outcomes at all right right life is and therefore you know be that's right so all this has been leading you towards developing a platform correct tor to help share some of this information I mean you dug deep and it took cognitive effort it took time it took a lot of you know sweat equity so to speak yet so um how are you now besides being a podcast guest how are you um communicating this to other people who may you know need some of this information or better yeah thank you for asking that question I've got a website it was launched on May 15th fairly new yep it's called quest to cure cancer comm quest to cure cancer center cancer calm and on that site I have kind of built what I consider to be a framework that helps people kind of understand where the protocols fit within the overall components of their life whether it's an energetic or nutritional based or movement base that sort of thing I spend a lot of time trying to break it down my goal is which is this is kind of it's interesting because it's a labor of love and a work in progress and I have no idea where it's going but I'm just going to be today I wake up and take another step in that direction but my goal is really to provide the tools the people that want to take charge of their own outcome health care etc have access to the information they need to have in order to make good decisions it's exactly we do peak brain is here's your brain here what's going on what you want to do with it right exactly it's the empowering the agency giving demystified this mysterious space right and it's conflicting information and brain science and cancer science there's a lot of informational hard line yeah so navigating that can be pretty confusing and you know I have a degree in neuroscience and navigating the neuroscience is difficult right which is why you know I do a lot of the teaching and advocacy and everything else that we do one thing that I one one question I have cancer is not cancer is not cancer from myprint mean I'm not an oncologist obviously are como carcinoma Gloup Gloup you know and some of these have well-known causes and some have fewer known you know less well known causes D is this perspective of genetic versus let's say mitochondrial right is that from your perspective seeming to be true across forms of cancer that's a really good question I might actually just kind of getting into the weeds on that stuff fairly recently kind of just looking at the different different sources of cancer I focus mostly in the hard tumor cancers because that's what I have so for us cancer colon cancer breast cancer they all kind of fall into the same category some of the other cancers like the bust almas and the carcinomas obviously have totally different outcomes yeah for example second isms and mechanism I think there are treatment protocols in the standard of care for example for certain types of blood cancer that are probably not that toxic but they remove the blood from your body they run it through chemotherapy they filter out the chemotherapy put the blood back in your body to me that's less devastating your blood doesn't have a lot of mitochondria by the way right if it has any my country I don't know the puzzles on think of any microc and so you know there I think the treatment protocols would be different for different types of cancer that's a really good question most if you look at kind of how I built it on the website you'll see that there's there's one there's one pillar called therapeutic interventions and the others all the other pillars in this four of the pillars are all things even people that don't have cancer that want to avoid cancer probably well-advised all right okay and so those things I think anybody answer should be doing period just to get once they're back in the only state to stay in the only state and then the therapy conventions are the things that people like me want to look into like the high dose vitamin C in the hyperbaric oxygen and I think I think are specific to people struggling with the illness but that's a really good question but I think one more like kind of foot on I want to just tag on to the earlier statement about educating people even the best doctor in the world is only going to be able to give you a very tiny tiny amount of attention right and so if you're not willing to step up to the plate and figure out what's right for you based on your own determination you're necessarily putting your hands and someone else who's got other cavities yeah yeah and so I think it's really incumbent upon people that really want to get well to kind of take a more proactive and I'm not saying you wouldn't do a lot of the stuff in conjunction with standard of care I'm not gonna I'm not I'm not in a position to draw that line it's not my role I'm not a doctor I can't give that advice but I'm saying if you can you don't rush into anything yeah unless you have to right adopt the wait-and-see attitude try some these other therapies first yeah you're venting active seizures and bleeding from brain tumors you may need to go to the hospital get a surgery right away I couldn't urinate so taking ADT wasn't a big wasn't even a big challenge for me right right I did in a very mild I did a smaller dose I did the monthly versus in six months original interesting so you know again from gerontology perspective the biggest risk factor for cancer is age it's the most highly correlated risk factor for cancers period across all toyota's cancer I have to imagine having looked at your website yet I have to imagine the pillars of you know either treatment or keeping yourself healthy those must also be in line with a long-life anti-aging kind of perspectives off I mean we know things like ketogenic diet and and getting us exercise and those are all anti-aging and those are probably also anti-cancer yes there's a hand is definitely normal that so I you know I'm just curious are you finding a lot of you know the gerontology Kaul the geriatrician perspective you know like ageing medicine people are you bumping up against them when you're doing this this did is dive into what things may work to hack the system yes I don't know if you know Rhonda Patrick I'm sure you've stumped sure sure yes yeah I choose one of the folks that I would pay some attention to he's she's great she's very much a de anti-aging that's her kind of burger yeah yep and two of the things that that actually one of which I look very very highly on my list of kind of nutritional supplements which is turmeric curcumin yep yep and that's and that to me is I do it in all sorts of ways right there's several ways I take it and the others so fear thing and both of these are this is in cruciferous vegetables yes yeah and I take three different versions of stuff urethane these are both I think they're both found to be kind of anti-inflammatory very powerful ways it kind of maintaining health and longevity keeping your telomeres long all that good stuff how are you getting turmeric into your system with the quick absorption because it doesn't tend to be absorbed orally all that well as you mix it with things that suppress the enzyme that yeah you can take black pepper with turmeric right now they say fats better than black pepper so I do it with some brain octane is it for absorption then just for absorption so I do it I do it really kind of several ways I take I take pills that have two my porn product or necessarily take I also have the root itself that I put in my might have this new version of my shake which is definitely less and less less insane yeah very less insane and I do that Nano doing that every day I do it probably two days a week or three days a week and I put a whole bunch of turmeric root in there with with brain octane fab and maybe some pepper but I'm and I grind it into my food at night and I also have this this shake though this kind of little tea that makes powder Arco tea which is also posher yeah and I make the powder d'arco tea with some Cooper command powder in it okay and some Ceylon cinnamon powder in it and some brain octane and I leave that in the bullet blender for like two minutes Casso is completely emulsified yeah yeah and I and I drink that when they take all my stack and I have a stack of supplements so they take which are on my website that way okay folks interest great and tonight and I take that into what that's supposed to do if it works and I don't know I'm assuming is it that the curcumin in that novelty helps the assimilation of all the other vitamins I'm taking and the fat helps cook in the fat helps it's nice to hear there's not another option besides black pepper because butter is a nice you know hack but if you're on other drugs right the same liver enzyme breaks down right and you take black peppers you're going to have massive spikes of your other drugs in your system right and so you can end up in a polypharmacy kind of situation where you're causing interactions in your own body without any change in oral dosing right no no I know I know that in fact if you do the polarity thing I'm talking about and you're taking pharmaceutical drugs you might want to have your doctor check and make sure you're not don't need to lower your those a little bit it also did I have this thing it'll have the same effect of increasing the M oh so it's presses some the same C whoop CPK is whatever enzymes yeah okay all right good to know good to know yeah again I'm not a doctor I just just read this stuff information yeah exactly and that's it yeah we make the thrust of podcast is here some information we don't ever expect we're going to be experts in everything or even know everything we're gonna be right yes you know but you're nobody's making the questions is important by the way in this space you never ever get to the end result ever never ever get to the point you say okay I got this thing which is exactly how I feel with the brain it's always a phenom and we're sort of managing and digging out and looking under you know stones to figure out going on but it's always an imperfect I let's are doing their feedback something you said about how people were viewing different cancers what I sort of doing how the brain worked in their feedback there was three or four different schools of thought that completely different ideas that how it worked and yet they're all getting great results right and the same thing in different alternative therapies for cancer ketogenic or you know other hyperbarics and and and ozone they all work so this strikes me is what I call blind men in elephant situation no we're like oh I have a leaf I have a snake no you know they're all little bit confused what's going on and I was like I want to look about this the story on the last podcast that I think a really important perspective to have be it hacking your own health be it being a professional who teaches and stuff is the ability to say don't know you know there's this a bit of information here I may have some context for it I may not and that's you know I mean you've given people things to dig into themselves I hope no one listened to this podcast and rushes out and just takes all the things no no no gladly but hopefully they've heard about a half-dozen things I can look up on your website and they can do some more research and decide if it's right for them exactly so it's a perfect exactly exactly isn't that what science is all about though is you always have to hopefully I did I know it hasn't become there yeah I have a whole section by the way and I know we're out of time soon but I have a whole section on the website as to why you need to take charge your own health care I have even theirs because I've looked in a lot of these studies and this is so called evidence-based medicine and I'm not saying it's all bad it's a lot of good stuff out there but I'm just saying a lot of it is colored and also a lot of science is valid findings and conclusions and science are valid at a population level or at a hundred subjects level but break down we look at one individual because they don't necessarily fit into the middle two-thirds of this you know the bell curve right um and so you know we don't know everything and that's really important to know yes so well well I'm Eric it's so wonderful to have you on the show today thank you yeah your website again is the quest to cure cancer com is that a - or a tio tio wwws to cure cancer that concrete nice and easy Eric Rehman's Berger has been our guest today lawyer bye hacker extraordinaire has knocked stage-four cancer back into the into submission remission and is a vibrant healthy guy he listen to this on audio only he's a good luck and vibrant guy at sixty so you too can can take control of your health and Eric's giving some great resources and some great motivation to do so so again thanks so much and folks this is another episode of head first and take care of those brains [Music]