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Understanding neurofeedback with Peak Brain Institute founder Dr Andrew Hill

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Episode Summary

I joined Steve Stavs on his show "Steve Stavs - Africa's Pro Biohacker" to talk about what actually happens when you train the brain. You can watch the original conversation. What follows is drawn from that discussion: how I read brains, what neurofeedback moves, and why I treat the brain as a set of resources rather than a list of diagnoses.

What does neurofeedback do for attention and executive function?

Attention and executive-function difficulties show up constantly in my office. Someone struggles to start tasks, drifts under low stimulus, then performs beautifully under pressure. That pattern is common, and it responds to training.

Here is the rough math from my clinical work. With executive-function presentations, the kind people label ADHD, impulsivity, or distractibility, you tend to see about one standard deviation of measurable change every other month of neurofeedback. That works out to roughly every 25 sessions. Over three months, somewhere around 40 to 50 sessions, training three or four times a week for about half an hour, you can often move someone a couple of standard deviations up the bell curve on the metrics you care about. I have run this with thousands of people, and the majority show strong, trackable change.

I want to be honest about what the label means. ADHD is not a diagnosis you can read straight off an EEG. The reason a person is inattentive or impulsive could be fatigue, stress, post-COVID brain fog, sleep disruption from trauma, or a hundred other things. When I measure executive function and then see classic executive-function patterns in the QEEG brain map, the picture lines up and we know where to train. If the cause is something else, the map tells us that too.

I worked recently with a hockey player who was out of play after an injury. His situation combined the kind of ADHD profile many athletes carry, exceptional under high pressure and less reliable in the low-stimulus stretches, with concussion-related changes. He is public about his neurofeedback (Connor Carrick), so I can name him, and we shared pre-post data showing how his brain shifted over the training course. For more on this specific frequency target, see my writeup on SMR neurofeedback and on neurofeedback for ADHD.

Can the brain rebuild after damage?

Built-in patterns like ADHD respond to training, and so does damage. One case I come back to often is a heavy drinker I worked with. He arrived at my office at 6'5", 300 pounds, bright orange, in liver failure. He was 45 days sober, medically chaperoned straight from a hospital. He could not relax, could not stop talking, could not stop moving. For 25-plus years he had been drinking a bottle and a half of wine every afternoon, more wine plus Ambien to get maybe two hours of sleep at night, then back on it the next morning.

His brain showed a textbook post-alcoholic pattern. He was hyper-coherent in beta, highly over-connected fast activity, with all his beta pushed up around 11 Hz, and his resting delta was almost gone. That is the signature of an over-aroused brain with no brake. You see this pattern persist even a decade after someone sobers up if they drank daily for years. It explained why a giant of a man looked like he was vibrating in his chair.

About six or seven weeks into training, I came in and found him asleep on the waiting-room couch. I assumed he had a session. He did not. He had discovered he could fall asleep at will, called that morning to ask when I arrived, came in early, and took a nap to prove it to me. In the hospital, sober, he had needed Thorazine or Haldol just to be knocked out, because without alcohol he was so overactivated. Now he could put himself down on a couch.

The mechanism is straightforward once you see the EEG. Chronic alcohol use leaves the cortex stuck in a high-arousal state, excess beta and tight beta coherence, with the slow-wave systems that govern rest suppressed. Train the brain to produce more of the slower, regulating rhythms and reduce the runaway fast activity, and the capacity to downshift comes back. Structural neuroimaging work backs this up: neurofeedback produces measurable gray and white matter changes (Ghaziri et al., 2013), so we are not just renting a state, we are shaping tissue over time.

Does neurofeedback help with seizures and developmental conditions?

I worked with a 10-year-old girl who had a protein-folding disorder that left her with significant developmental issues and drop seizures, sudden collapses happening more than once a minute. It took us two or three weeks to get any movement, which is normal for severe cases. Once we understood how her seizure activity was structured in the EEG, we got a thumb on the scale, and over about two weeks her seizures dropped from more than once a minute to less than once an hour.

That hour or two of seizure-free time changed her whole household. Her mother had not slept deeply in a decade. When a child is seizing that often, with breathing concerns and limited verbal ability, the parents are wrecked. The girl herself started developing more after the seizures eased, a little more language, a little more eye contact, which often follows when you free up cortical resources that seizure activity was consuming.

This is actually how I found my way back into this field. Watching kids with autism and severe developmental difficulties show changes in sensory processing and seizure frequency made me stop and ask whether this was even supposed to be possible. That question pulled me back into the work at an academic level. You can get real movement in conditions that conventional medicine treats as fixed.

Can neurofeedback improve performance in high functioners?

CEOs come to me wanting to perform better. Most of the time their brains tell the same story: high performers who are not sleeping, anxious, driven, brittle, a bit obsessive, the type-A signature. We work on the sleep and the over-arousal first. Once those move, they ask what else is possible, and I start building in flow state and creativity training.

A week or two into that phase, I reliably get a thank-you note or voicemail from a spouse asking what I am doing over here. Best therapy session they have had, he brought flowers, he talked about how he felt. This happens often enough that it is not an isolated case. When you calm an over-aroused frontal system and improve sleep, the emotional bandwidth that was eaten by vigilance comes back online.

I also had a physical therapist call me in 2021, irritated, asking what I had done to her client. The woman, in her 70s with a brain injury, had walked into therapy without her cane. When you lose part of the motor cortex, you lose inhibition of the muscle, so the arm pulls up tight and balance fails on that side. After training, her arm relaxed and her balance steadied enough to leave the cane behind. This does not happen every time. It happens often enough that people come to me precisely because these things rarely change in standard allopathic care.

Why does a brain map give you agency?

The thread through all of these cases is a shift in framing. When you take a personal-training, fitness-and-science perspective, you stop chasing diagnoses and start working on resources. You measure something, you train it, you measure again. That iteration gives you a hint of what is happening, and it breaks the spell where someone else is the expert who owns the label and knows your brain better than you do.

A father brought me his son four years ago, a kid heading to college who could not get out of his own way, barely passing high school, did not do his laundry. We looked at his brain and his performance. He carried some stress and fatigue, and he also had strong but poorly balanced resources for parts of executive function, the classic profile: exceptional under high stimulus, drifty under low stimulus, with some sleep-processing involvement. I explained how his version of ADHD worked, pointed out his actual strengths, and laid out the options, including neurofeedback.

I never heard back, which surprised me, because the reading had been clear. Two and a half years later his father called to thank me. The son had doubled down after that conversation, structured his time, built his own habits and hacks, and finished college in three years. The father was clear that I had not done anything to the boy's brain. I had given him a way to understand it. Once the kid saw which levers moved which outcomes, he learned to drive.

You can rebuild after serious damage. You can shape tissue and performance in conditions labeled incurable. And sometimes the most useful thing is the brain map itself, because seeing your own patterns hands you the controls. If you want a deeper read on how training translates to specific goals, my pieces on biohacking anxiety, brain fog, and sleep walk through the circuits and the protocols.

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References

  1. Ghaziri (2013). Neurofeedback Training Induces Changes in White and Gray Matter. doi:10.1177/1550059413476031
Full Transcript
yeah so if somebody's got some difficulty with attention you know it's it's pretty it's a pretty common uh phenomena to have some executive function difficulties you know I'm working with a hockey player right now um who was out of play because of an injury and it was a it was a combination probably of like that that ADHD that athletes have you know they're exceptional on the court or the high pressure but they're not as good under the low as well as some concussion stuff and so we were doing a lot of uh uh work around those features and um his name is Connor Carrick I I can speak of course because he's public about his ner feedback but you can check out some of the pre-post data we shared uh recently um looking at how he was improving his brain over time uh the uh General thing with executive function with ADHD or impulsivity or distractability you tend to get about a standard deviation of change every other month of Nur feedback every 25 sessions roughly you got about a standard deviation across Ross things like ADHD although again not diagnostic the reason you might be impulsive or inattentive could be fatigue or stress or postco brain fog or you know trauma causing sleep issues or a thousand other things but when you measure executive function and then you see classic executive function phenotypes in the brain you go oh okay and then you know generally you can move that person up a couple of standard deviations in the bell curve three months 40 50 sessions of training so this is like three times a week about uh maybe four times a week for half an hour is the is the training and um so I you know I I've worked with so many people thousands and thousands and almost all of them have really strong uh transformation um one thing I want to say is you can do work on both things that are built in kind of and not necessarily a disease process but can get in the way like ADHD or like you know having other quirk key features but you can also rebuild stuff after damage you know I uh one classic story that I love to tell is about a drinker alcoholic that I worked with who came in to the to the office um you know 6 fo5 300 PB bright orange man in liver failure uh shaky nervous couldn't relax couldn't stop talking couldn't couldn't stop moving and he was 45 days medically chaperon we brought to my office from a hospital completely sober but just so over aroused so overactivated from 255 years of having a bottle and a half of wine every afternoon and then more wine out of an and ambian to fall asleep for maybe two hours in the evening and then he'd be back on it the next day and he was just wrecked after years of that and you look at his brain and his brain was hyper coherent in beta highly overc connected beta waves and all his beta was pushed up to 11 uh uh and then his delta waves his resting waves were non-existent so he was just the shaky nervous you know in spite of being a giant hulk of a man you could see through him he was so nervous he was just you know vibrating so much and very classic uh post- alcoholic brain pattern this hyperarousal in the brain of extra beta extra coherent beta and you see it uh even 10 years after somebody sobers up if they've been a daily Drinker for a decade or you know maybe even several years uh so I came into my office about six weeks maybe seven weeks after we started working with him and he's on the couch in the waiting area and he's asleep said oh okay is he here for another visit this week I thought he'd already been a few times oh yeah this he's not here for uh for n feedback he discovered he could fall asleep at will so he called this morning and asked when you came in he came in half an hour earlier and took a nap to prove to you that he can fall asleep now so this is a guy who hadn't fallen asleep at will even in the hospital he had to have Thorazine or how doll or other you know neuroleptics just to knock him out because he was so overactivated in the absence of alcohol after being chronically drunk for some many years so you can rebuild really big damage or you know I had a little girl who was a 10-year-old who had a protein folding disorder that essentially left her with developmental issues that were quite significant um and she had drop seizures you know sudden seizures uh a couple times a minute just just massive seizures then she was back and we trained her brain for about uh maybe the first it took us about two or three weeks to start getting some movement which is not uncommon and then we started getting a sense of how seizures were working and got her thumb on the scale and her seizures dropped over two weeks they went from happening more than once a minute to happening less than once an hour and this is a 10-year-old girl who parent had not slept for 10 years deeply at least her mom had you know and just when somebody's having seizures that often and there's breathing issues and the the kid is not necessarily fully verbal it's very very scary for the parents and parents are wrecked after a decade of that of caring for somebody who is um themselves not sleeping well because of the seizures so getting an hour or two of seizure-free time uh didn't just help this 10-year-old who actually started developing more after that you know had a little more language a little more eye contact which tends to happen you can get some movement in really severe developmental difficulties which is how I discovered this stuff was working autism and then going wait a minute what people are changing we're seeing sensory issues and seizur Dro wait what I didn't think this was possible and that's why I had to get back into it but an academic level but the idea is that you can take a crazy Drinker who's been sober and help them rebuild that damage you can take somebody who's got what would be considered an incurable difficulty like major gen genetic issues or major profound autism and you can actually shape the tissue and you can shape performance and resources or you can take a CEO I I I get this is not an isolated case I get a lot of um thank you notes calls voicemails and surprise letters from the partners of CEOs because CEOs come to me because they want to perform better usually and most of the time you look at their brain and they're high performers who aren't sleeping and kind of anxious kind of driven kind of brittle kind of obsessive it's kind of a you know type A and they work on that successfully and sleep and relax and get some you know some stuff uh moved and then they asked for other you know oh let's what else can we do and I start building in Flow State and creativity work for them and about a week or two later I get the the thank you note or the letter or the voicemail from the wife or the partner saying hey whatever you're doing yeah do do more um we had the best therapy session he brought me flowers um he was talking how he felt today what are you doing over there Peak brain and similarly you know I have I had a physical therapist call me up uh maybe in 2021 uh we've been working with an elder called me up what are you doing my client what do you mean she came in today without her cane okay no no no no what are you doing to her had no idea and when I met her her her um she had a brain injury she was in her 70s and when you lose part of your motor cortex you lose inhibition of the muscle so the arm was up you know pretty tight and one one side and her balance was off on that side she has had to use a cane and I guess she walked in to that uh therapy session without a cane and she came into our office a couple days later with her arm relaxed wow and you know doesn't happen every time like this but so many of the people that we work on have more significant stuff are are coming to us because these are things that don't usually change in conventional Landscapes the allopathic medicine landscape so when you take a personal training and a science and a fitness perspective on resources not diagnoses but the resource you want to work on and you iterate it gives you agency it gives you a hint of what's going on it it breaks that mystery where somebody else is your expert and has the label and knows more about the thing than you do and you become the person who gets to sort of validate your judgment of your own brain try stuff get it to change validate again in more data I mean you can try things that aren't Nur feedback if you see your brain on a brain map I had a a college student or a prospective college student come in about four years ago his dad's like this guy is not gonna thrive in college he can't get out of his own way doesn't do his laundry he's barely passing high school and he got into college I don't know how but like I'm really worried and he's really worried so we look took a look at his brain and his performance and I you know he had some stress and some fatigue but he also had as his classic some pretty strong uh resources for some aspects of executive function not which wasn't well balanced but I explained him how his essentially ADHD worked you know exceptional under high stimulus and drifty under low stimulus and some aspects of his sleep processing that might be impacted and pointed out the actual strengths that were there and what that might mean performance-wise and I thought I did a really good job of explaining why you know here are some resources here's how you work and here's what you can do about it including you know things like neur feedback and other stuff didn't hear from him after that I was surprised because you know it was a really clear you know reading of resources some good benefit right there dad was excited he was excited didn't hear from him till about two and a half years later his dad called me and said hey I just wanted to thank you uh just that looking his brain and talking to him about the fact this wasn't a disease process and here's the strength and here's a bottle link and here's how you can lean in and here's what might work for you everything changed after that he like decided to double down he structured his time he built some hacks he you know he he he got through college in three years he's finishing off right now he's graduating next month wanted to thank you not because we did anything to his brain but because we gave him agency to understand his brain so he could go okay this lever that machine okay okay got it and he learned how to drive and and steer things in the direction he wanted to